Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter
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From: "Narayanan, Vidya" <vidyan@qualcomm.com>
To: Lars Eggert <lars.eggert@nokia.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:15:35 -0700
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Subject: Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter
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Speaking for TANA, I do think it is nicely scoped to a good problem. I was bringing up some points to consider within the scope of the current charter - or, are you saying that the current charter is only meant to be scoped to file transfer applications? Vidya > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Eggert [mailto:lars.eggert@nokia.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:53 AM > To: Narayanan, Vidya > Cc: Nicholas Weaver; Stanislav Shalunov; TSV Area; tana@ietf.org; > p2pi@ietf.org; Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]; Bruce Davie > Subject: Re: [tana] [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter > > Hi, > > the goal for TANA and ALTO was to identify some subsets of the overall > problem space that are sufficiently well understood that we can start > to architect solutions. (And limit ourselves to those subsets where > the IETF would be an appropriate body for this work.) > > There are certainly other parts of this problem that may be ripe for > discussion in the IETF, and chartering TANA and ALTO by no means > precludes this discussion from happening. I fully expect the IETF to > take on additional work related to this general problem space in the > future - we just had to start somewhere, and TANA and ALTO is where we > started. > > I'd strongly encourage folks that want to push forward additional > proposals for the IETF to take on in this space! > > Lars > > On 2008-10-21, at 14:33, ext Narayanan, Vidya wrote: > > I'll start by saying that I do like the charter and believe > that it is > > scoped correctly. > > > > I do, however, share some of the concerns that Nicholas has > raised. > > We are talking about bulk data p2p transfers here, not necessarily > > just limited to file transfers. This does mean p2p models > of video, > > games that exchange large amounts of data (e.g., World of > Warcraft), > > large medical data (e.g., high resolution imaging) transfer, etc. > > fall into this category. Of course, for some of these > applications, > > the answer may simply be that TANA is not applicable and > hence, should > > not be used. However, I do think there are more grades to this. > > > > Another interesting piece of data is that for the first > time in many > > years, http has overtaken p2p traffic in some markets, primarily > > driven by video download applications such as YouTube. > Thanks to http > > being the common firewall transport mechanism, much of the > video now > > runs over TCP. So, is it really as cut and dry as the bulk > data P2P > > traffic needing to yield to Internet traffic? As long as > it is about > > some background file transfer, perhaps that philosophy will > just work. > > But, if the P2P app is also a video app, the answer is > probably more > > complex. > > > > There is no doubt that this charter is attempting to tackle a very > > important issue. But, it would be good to think about what > grades we > > may need to address here. > > > > Regards, > > Vidya > > _______________________________________________ p2pi mailing list p2pi@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2pi
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Reinaldo Penno
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- [p2pi] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Bruce Davie
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Joe Touch
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Joe Touch
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Salman Abdul Baset
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter Reinaldo Penno
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Murari Sridharan
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Ted Faber
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Ted Faber
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Caitlin Bestler
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Ted Faber
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Das, Saumitra
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] [tana] TANA proposed charter Das, Saumitra
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Rolf Winter
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Reinaldo Penno
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Rolf Winter
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Reinaldo Penno
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Rolf Winter
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Kurt Tutschku
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter toby.moncaster
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Michael Menth
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Michael Welzl
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Roland Bless
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Roland Bless
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter Enrico Marocco
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Rolf Winter
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter toby.moncaster
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter toby.moncaster
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter toby.moncaster
- Re: [p2pi] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Mark Allman
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Bryan Ford
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Narayanan, Vidya
- [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet marking qu… John Leslie
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… John Leslie
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter Livingood, Jason
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] TANA proposed charter -- packet… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Robb Topolski
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] TANA proposed charter -- packet markin… Bruce Davie
- Re: [p2pi] [tana] [tsv-area] TANA proposed charter Robb Topolski