Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [Was: Re: discussing P2PI-related standardization in Dublin]
John Leslie <john@jlc.net> Fri, 13 June 2008 15:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [Was: Re: discussing P2PI-related standardization in Dublin]
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Enrico Marocco <enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.it> wrote: > > To follow up on Jon's thoughts and to reflect discussions that happened > during the MIT workshop and on the mailing list, Vijay and I are going > to update the problem statement draft the ALTO BoF proposal is based on > (draft-marocco-alto-problem-statement-00). >... > + Type(s) of information that is provided to the oracle for rendering an > equitable decision: > * List of peer candidate IP addresses; > * Parameter to optimize (cost, delay, ...); I think we could reasonably expand this, so as to provide more for the oracle to work from. There are two well-known cases: 1. We want a well-known range of bandwidth for a possibly well-known length of time. 2. We want to transfer a well-known number of bytes within a fairly well-known period of time. In the first case, "No path will work" is a useful answer, and we should have a way of saying so. In the second case, an estimate of how long the transfer _would_ take is very useful information, and we should have a way of passing that back. (Users will typically abort transfers that aren't making enough progress; and giving them information to abort sooner would be a good thing.) (I really like calling this an "oracle" service, because it must necessarily make predictions about the future. However poor those predictions may prove, the oracle _can_ have a better (statistical) basis for them than either end-point.) Latency is also possibly an issue in the first case: it's probably a good idea to report expected latency for each path. (Optimizing for it may or may not be useful.) -- John Leslie <john@jlc.net> _______________________________________________ p2pi mailing list p2pi@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2pi
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- Re: [p2pi] discussing P2PI-related standardizatio… Peterson, Jon
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- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… stefano previdi
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- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Lars Eggert
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- Re: [p2pi] discussing P2PI-related standardizatio… Lars Eggert
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- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… stefano previdi
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- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement John Leslie
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement [W… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Lars Eggert
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- Re: [p2pi] Refining the ALTO problem statement Stanislav Shalunov
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