Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (alto)
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From: "Narayanan, Vidya" <vidyan@qualcomm.com>
To: Lisa Dusseault <lisa.dusseault@gmail.com>, "Dondeti, Lakshminath" <ldondeti@qualcomm.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:34:01 -0700
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Lisa, Enrico, Vijay, Thanks for the clarifications. I went through the P2PI mailing list and found some interesting discussions. There are some topics where I don't yet see consensus and some of the discussions still seem open. As Marshall, Sam, Lakshminath and I have pointed out, I don't yet see a consensus on whether the ALTO service is a centralized or distributed one. I also noted some unresolved discussions on the list on the types of information that can be shared as part of this service. As I've already noted, I do support the work and believe it needs to be done. But, I don't believe we have sorted out all the charter issues yet and focusing on that discussion would help move this forward. Instead, I see a lot of emails reinstating the importance of the work and that it needs to move forward. Well, that's clearly not the point of debate at all here, since I haven't seen anyone say the work is not important. A couple of notes inline. > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Lisa Dusseault > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:21 PM > To: Dondeti, Lakshminath > Cc: p2pi@ietf.org; IESG IESG; ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic > Optimization (alto) > > Lakshminath and Vidya, > > Vijay, Enrico and Stefano have said what I was going to say > (e.g. below) -- as sponsoring AD for this charter I've been > following the WG discussion, working with the rest of the > IESG, and talking to people to confirm that there's better > consensus on the list, even if there was confusion at the > BOF. This IETF Last Call is also part of confirming whether > there's now consensus. > > It's difficult to write a charter without actually designing > the solution. What would help with the charter, even now, is > for people to write up proposals for the solution -- ideally > in the form of Internet-Drafts. I haven't yet selected > chairs for the WG, so as you can imagine editors and authors > aren't yet selected. It would be most excellent to see some > individual proposals before a committee gets their hands on them :) > The above made me wonder if we are still operating at the IETF :) We repeatedly chastize people for writing charters with a solution in mind. I think it is extremely premature to talk about specific solutions, editors and authors - we have more fundamental discussions to be had on scoping the problem and agreeing to what is going to be solved. I hope we can do that first. Regards, Vidya > Lisa > > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Vijay K. Gurbani > <vkg@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > > > ... > > > And since the BoF, much has changed to narrow the scope of the > charter down to more manageable pieces as well as establish a > channel with IRTF to move certain aspects of the work there > (as the timeline in my previous email indicated.) > > > Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > > > > > My perception and my understanding of some of > the dissenting opinions > was that some of those need to be worked out > before creating a working group. > > > > But I believe that we have done exactly that: the list has been > busy since Dublin on attempts to move the work forward > in a manner > that is conducive to all participants. > > > > > _______________________________________________ p2pi mailing list p2pi@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2pi
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic Optim… IESG Secretary
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Sam Hartman
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Richard Barnes
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Daniel Park
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Philip Levis
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Lakshminath Dondeti
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… stefano previdi
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… stefano previdi
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Enrico Marocco
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Bruce Davie
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Lakshminath Dondeti
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Lisa Dusseault
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Lakshminath Dondeti
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Enrico Marocco
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Lakshminath Dondeti
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Martin Stiemerling
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Jan Seedorf
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Jan Seedorf
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Song Haibin
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Lars Eggert
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Ye WANG
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Philip Levis
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Song Haibin
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Lisa Dusseault
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Das, Saumitra
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Enrico Marocco
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… toby.moncaster
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Laird Popkin
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Karl Auerbach
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Pekka Savola
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Das, Saumitra
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Michael J. Freedman
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Dean Anderson
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Yu-Shun Wang
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Narayanan, Vidya
- Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic O… Yu-Shun Wang