Re: [Panic] Scope Draft is Available
Robert Moskowitz <rgm-sec@htt-consult.com> Thu, 15 June 2017 20:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Panic] Scope Draft is Available
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David, Do you have an update to your draft? I don't see anything past the Apr 11 01.txt draft. thanks On 05/19/2017 10:09 AM, Waltermire, David A. (Fed) wrote: > > Diego, thanks for the edits. > > All, > > I am going to drop this text into an update of the scope draft. I’ll > wait until Monday to work on posting the draft update. Please let me > know if any other changes to the draft are desired. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > *From:*Panic [mailto:panic-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Diego R. Lopez > *Sent:* Friday, May 19, 2017 2:23 AM > *To:* Waltermire, David A. (Fed) <david.waltermire@nist.gov> > *Cc:* Panic@ietf.org; Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) <pkampana@cisco.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Panic] Scope Draft is Available > > Hi, > > I agree with David’s proposal, with just a few minor changes with > respect to the original text, to make it more general, completely > covering the virtual cases (NFV) and eliminating the term “device” to > avoid too many equivalences... > > Network operators need to know what is connected to their > organization's networks so that they can properly manage those network > elements. Managing these network endpoints, consisting of physical and > virtual network infrastructure, requires access to information > pertaining to them, including endpoint identity, the identity of > software installed on the element, and the configuration setting > values for the installed software. This information can be collected > from different classes of elements over different protocols and using > different data models. PANIC will identify a standardized solution to > collect posture information for network element, and allow that > information to be shared with authorized users and elements on the > network supporting security automation. PANIC aims to reuse available > standards for posture assessment where possible. The PANIC effort will > avoid redefining information exchange technologies for use cases that > have already been defined. > > Be goode, > > On 18 May 2017, at 20:01 , Waltermire, David A. (Fed) > <david.waltermire@nist.gov <mailto:david.waltermire@nist.gov>> wrote: > > Panos, thanks for providing text. > > We have participants that are approaching this problem space that > are accustomed to using endpoint and network element. How about > the following introduction text to draw an equivalence between > these terms? > > Network operators need to know what is connected to their > organization's networks so that they can properly manage those > network elements. Managing these network elements, consisting of > physical and virtual network infrastructure devices, requires > access to information pertaining to these endpoint devices, > including device identity, the identity of software installed on > the endpoint, and the configuration setting values for the > installed software. This information can be collected from > different classes of endpoints over different protocols and using > different data models. PANIC will identify a standardized solution > to collect posture information for network devices, and allow that > information to be shared with authorized users and devices on the > network supporting security automation. PANIC aims to reuse > available standards for posture assessment where possible. The > PANIC effort will avoid redefining information exchange > technologies for use cases that have already been defi > ned. > > Also, I added your text to the security considerations section. I > will post this in the -02 revision once we sort out the Introduction. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) [mailto:pkampana@cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:30 PM > To: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) <david.waltermire@nist.gov > <mailto:david.waltermire@nist.gov>>; Panic@ietf.org > <mailto:Panic@ietf.org> > Subject: RE: Scope Draft is Available > > ACK. Below some proposed text: > > For the Security Considerations Section: > Further discussion here will address the threat introduced > to the network > elements by the posture information collection. There should > be protections > implemented to prevent the element from being vulnerable to > DoS attacks > by frequent polling or pushing of posture data. > > For the Introduction Section: > ...automation. PANIC aims to reuse available standards for > posture > assessment where possible. It will avoid redefining info exchange > technologies for usecases that have already been defined. > > For the Introduction Section: > ...manage those > endpoints. Endpoints / Elements include hardware, software > of virtual > network infrastructure devices. > > > > > > hardware, software or virtual (NFV fails in this > > category) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) > [mailto:david.waltermire@nist.gov] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:59 AM > To: Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) <pkampana@cisco.com > <mailto:pkampana@cisco.com>>; Panic@ietf.org > <mailto:Panic@ietf.org> > Subject: RE: Scope Draft is Available > > Panos, > > Thank you for providing feedback on the PANIC scope draft. > > Comments are inline below. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) [mailto:pkampana@cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:37 AM > To: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) <david.waltermire@nist.gov > <mailto:david.waltermire@nist.gov>>; > Panic@ietf.org <mailto:Panic@ietf.org> > Subject: RE: Scope Draft is Available > > Hi David, > > The document is clear. > > One semantic objection I have is about the use of the word > endpoint. I > believe the term is commonly used for user machines > (laptops, cells, > tablets) . Network element or element is a little clearer. > > > I don't have a dog in this fight. I am happy to go either way > (e.g., endpoint, > network element) if there is a preference in the group for one > term or the > other. I'd like to hear other opinions on this. > > > A susggestion: The security section could mention the > importance of > not introducing security concerns with the posture info > collection. > For example a device should not be DoSable by too many > polls, or it > should not push often enough that would introduce > performance concerns > > etc. > > I think this is a good idea. Do you have some text in mind to > drop in? > > > I think it will also be beneficial to be explicit about > the types of > network elements. In the broad technologies that exist > today, these > elements could be hardware, software or virtual (NFV fails > in this > category). All of those should be in scope for this work. > > > All of these are in scope in my view. > > > Side comment: I would like this standardization effort to > try to reuse > data formats and transports wherever possible and not come > up with new > posture information descriptions. I think this is a common > goal that > SACM has as well. > > > I share this goal as well. Should we document this in the draft? > > > Thanks, > Panos > > > Regards, > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Panic [mailto:panic-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Waltermire, > David A. (Fed) > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:03 AM > To: Panic@ietf.org <mailto:Panic@ietf.org> > Subject: [Panic] Scope Draft is Available > > Welcome to the posture assessment through network information > collection > (PANIC) email list. At the side meeting on March 29th, we > started > discussing the problem of how to measure the health of network > devices. We discussed the need to collect posture > information from > network devices to support asset, software, vulnerability, and > configuration management use cases. We were asked by the > group to > share a more detailed description of the intended scope > for the PANIC > effort. The follow draft is an attempt to do > so: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-waltermire-panic-scope/ > > We would appreciate review of and comments on this draft. > At this > point, we want to know if the this scope clearly defines > the problem to be > > solved. > > Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns, > or if you > think the scope draft is adequate. > > Regards, > David Waltermire > > _______________________________________________ > Panic mailing list > Panic@ietf.org <mailto:Panic@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/panic > > > _______________________________________________ > Panic mailing list > Panic@ietf.org <mailto:Panic@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/panic > > -- > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" > > Dr Diego R. 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