Re: [Patient] the IETF participant choice

Tony Rutkowski <tony@yaanatech.co.uk> Mon, 19 March 2018 21:42 UTC

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Almost every venue does things pretty much this way.

No fora exists to solve all the world's network operational problems.  
"Sorry, not our problem" is an acceptable answer. Those venues that 
don't have that option, when appropriate, are probably best avoided.

--tony


On 19-Mar-18 5:23 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> There are individuals who show up here to talk about why they need 
> stuff and use their own operational problems as examples. That's how 
> we always do this. It's really a process of successive approximation.
>