Re: [Patient] recent thoughts from a mr chatham

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Subject: Re: [Patient] recent thoughts from a mr chatham
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And actually the mic was not working.

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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Patient] recent thoughts from a mr chatham
> Local Time: 14 December 2017 6:03 PM
> UTC Time: 14 December 2017 17:03
> From: Arnaud.Taddei.IETF@protonmail.com
> To: Bret Jordan <jordan.ietf@gmail.com>
> Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>, patient@ietf.org <patient@ietf.org>, Brian Witten <brian_witten@symantec.com>, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
>
> Thank you Brian for sharing both the Internet Draft and the minutes.
>
> To Paul, it was particularly hard for me to take the minutes that evening, first time at IETF, not knowing most of you, not always hearing correctly each accent and not accustomed to a lot of aspects of this team. I hope you will give me a chance to improve.
>
> However I do not buy at all the fact that I tried to orientate anything in taking the minutes. I respect all the opinions the team has and as a French person said 'I can disagree with you but I will make all what I can for your opinion can be heard'.
>
> The room was very packed I heard what I heard on the mic but I couldn't hear everyone in every part of the room. If any specifics is missing please help us understand what so that we can improve the minutes, this is pretty simple.
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>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [Patient] recent thoughts from a mr chatham
>> Local Time: 14 December 2017 3:11 AM
>> UTC Time: 14 December 2017 02:11
>> From: jordan.ietf@gmail.com
>> To: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
>> patient@ietf.org <patient@ietf.org>, Brian Witten <brian_witten@symantec.com>, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification Kathleen.
>>
>> Bret
>>
>> Sent from my Commodore 128D
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>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2017, Brian Witten wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Given the amount of ground that was covered in the recent discussion, many
>>>
>>>>> good points were raised from many diverse perspectives, and capturing them
>>>
>>>>> digitally helps others who could not
>>>
>>>>> travel for the event.  I've been reminded (Thank You Again!) of the Note
>>>
>>>>> Well, that all discussions at IETF events are contributions for the record,
>>>
>>>>> but in this case, names were not
>>>
>>>>> recorded except for myself and Arnaud to make questions & corrections
>>>
>>>>> easiest.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Note that the attached minutes does not reflect the discussion we
>>>
>>>> actually had. There was a large part of the room that completely
>>>
>>>> disagreed with this approach that has not made it onto the minutes,
>>>
>>>> including my own comments and questions.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> It would help for next meeting, if we can meet with proper remote
>>>
>>>> participation and recording support, and even better, a desinterested
>>>
>>>> minute taker.
>>>
>>> That would require a BoF, this was a bar BoF.  If one is requested and
>>> approved, that will all be possible.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>> --
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Kathleen
>>>
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