Re: [Patient] DOJ first on encryption services

"Diego R. Lopez" <> Sun, 18 March 2018 11:25 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Patient] DOJ first on encryption services
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Hi Tony,

The link seems not to work... Can you check it?

Be goode,

"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"

Dr Diego R. Lopez
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On 18/03/2018, 11:20, "PATIENT on behalf of Tony Rutkowski" < on behalf of> wrote:

    Hi Brian,

    This action announced on Thursday by the US Attorney's office is a
    first.  It suggests the US Feds will be going after companies who cater
    to the wrong customers with encryption services.

    It seems likely that most countries, providers, and enterprises will
    simply block or degrade TLS 1.3, QUIC, and other pervasive encryption
    protocols. However, there will always be outliers who will take the risk.

    This DOJ action (and likely clones elsewhere in the world) adds some
    greater risk to the equation when the provider fails to undertake due
    diligence on the uses being undertaken by the customers running TLS 1.3
    and QUIC servers.  Where the customer is using the technology to evade
    law enforcement, including DCMA strictures, the provider may find
    themselves complicit through criminal or civil proceedings.


    ps. They probably will not come after those developing the standards,
    but then the IESG probably has sufficient liability insurance courtesy
    of ISOC to handle litigation costs and fines.

    PATIENT mailing list


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