Re: [paws] Please review IPR disclosure https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2340/

Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk> Thu, 18 September 2014 07:16 UTC

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On 21 Aug 2014, at 15:54, Pete Resnick <presnick@qti.qualcomm.com> wrote:

> PAWS participants:
> 
> Somehow an IPR disclosure was filed on the PAWS protocol document for which we did not see an announcement:
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2340/
> 
> As far as I can tell from the title (given that the referenced IP is an as-yet-unpublished patent), this applies to the database discovery portion of the protocol. Since we have removed much of that discussion, we expect mostly pre-configuration, and we have yet to (and may never) complete the actual database discovery work, I think this may have no effect on folks implementing the protocol. But I do need to confirm that the WG is aware of this and still thinks it's OK to move forward with the protocol document.
> 
> If there are any objections to moving forward, I need to hear that immediately.
> 
> However, I would like to hear an overt, "Yes, understood, and it's fine to move forward" from some folks who might be implementing the protocol.

I’m unable to find the text of the Nokia application, so it’s difficult to assess.

I note that they’ve quoted an application date of 29 April 2013, I’d be amazed if there isn’t some prior work relating to database discovery (e.g. the OFCOM spec, or ETSI EN 301 598) although that does depend on exactly what mechanism it is they’re claiming.

Given the WG's de-emphasis on DB discovery I see no reason to change course based on this.

Ray