Re: [paws] Please review IPR disclosure https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2340/

Don Joslyn <dljoslyn@gmail.com> Thu, 18 September 2014 12:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [paws] Please review IPR disclosure https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2340/
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Regards,
Don

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk>;
wrote:

>
> On 21 Aug 2014, at 15:54, Pete Resnick <presnick@qti.qualcomm.com>; wrote:
>
> > PAWS participants:
> >
> > Somehow an IPR disclosure was filed on the PAWS protocol document for
> which we did not see an announcement:
> >
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2340/
> >
> > As far as I can tell from the title (given that the referenced IP is an
> as-yet-unpublished patent), this applies to the database discovery portion
> of the protocol. Since we have removed much of that discussion, we expect
> mostly pre-configuration, and we have yet to (and may never) complete the
> actual database discovery work, I think this may have no effect on folks
> implementing the protocol. But I do need to confirm that the WG is aware of
> this and still thinks it's OK to move forward with the protocol document.
> >
> > If there are any objections to moving forward, I need to hear that
> immediately.
> >
> > However, I would like to hear an overt, "Yes, understood, and it's fine
> to move forward" from some folks who might be implementing the protocol.
>
> I’m unable to find the text of the Nokia application, so it’s difficult to
> assess.
>
> I note that they’ve quoted an application date of 29 April 2013, I’d be
> amazed if there isn’t some prior work relating to database discovery (e.g.
> the OFCOM spec, or ETSI EN 301 598) although that does depend on exactly
> what mechanism it is they’re claiming.
>
> Given the WG's de-emphasis on DB discovery I see no reason to change
> course based on this.
>
> Ray
>
>
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