Re: [Pce] Lars Eggert's No Objection on charter-ietf-pce-07-04: (with COMMENT)

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Subject: Re: [Pce] Lars Eggert's No Objection on charter-ietf-pce-07-04: (with COMMENT)
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Hi John,

I guess Lars points "native" out because it appears in the milestones. 
It's there because it's reusing the title of the associated draft, which 
is a reference to the title of RFC 8821...

As I'm not a "native" English speaker, I can't really evaluate how much 
offensive the term is. I also see that the NIST table [1] is rather 
pragmatic and includes an example of "language taken directly from that 
external specification" (on terms that should clearly be precluded). So 
I wonder how much effort should be put on that change...

Thanks,

Julien


[1] 
https://www.nist.gov/nist-research-library/nist-technical-series-publications-author-instructions#table1


On 14/12/2023 15:46, John Scudder wrote:
> I don't see the word "native" in the charter text?
>
> John
>
>> On Dec 14, 2023, at 8:02 AM, Lars Eggert via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
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>> Lars Eggert has entered the following ballot position for
>> charter-ietf-pce-07-04: No Objection
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>> COMMENT:
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>> # GEN AD review of charter-ietf-pce-07-04
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>> CC @larseggert
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>> ## Comments
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>> ### Inclusive language
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>> Found terminology that should be reviewed for inclusivity; see
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/part2/*inclusive_language__;Iw!!NEt6yMaO-gk!CS86MpyLAch3FBrrIHUnybIAvaSiSxNIJnzru9PIKMOslJrRBg6FT0ZuyRO_PbZq2Fn3e8cFfj-W$  for background and more
>> guidance:
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>> * Term `native`; alternatives might be `built-in`, `fundamental`, `ingrained`,
>>    `intrinsic`, `original`
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>> ## Notes
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