Re: [Pce] Lars Eggert's No Objection on charter-ietf-pce-07-04: (with COMMENT)

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From: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
To: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
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Subject: Re: [Pce] Lars Eggert's No Objection on charter-ietf-pce-07-04: (with COMMENT)
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I don't see the word "native" in the charter text?

John

> On Dec 14, 2023, at 8:02 AM, Lars Eggert via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
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> Lars Eggert has entered the following ballot position for
> charter-ietf-pce-07-04: No Objection
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> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
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> COMMENT:
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> # GEN AD review of charter-ietf-pce-07-04
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> CC @larseggert
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> ## Comments
> 
> ### Inclusive language
> 
> Found terminology that should be reviewed for inclusivity; see
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/part2/*inclusive_language__;Iw!!NEt6yMaO-gk!CS86MpyLAch3FBrrIHUnybIAvaSiSxNIJnzru9PIKMOslJrRBg6FT0ZuyRO_PbZq2Fn3e8cFfj-W$  for background and more
> guidance:
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> * Term `native`; alternatives might be `built-in`, `fundamental`, `ingrained`,
>   `intrinsic`, `original`
> 
> ## Notes
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