Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN meeting
<philip.eardley@bt.com> Wed, 19 March 2008 16:18 UTC
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Ok - you'd forgotten to remind us of that! Note that you're making the assumption of SM [for CL (is excess rate marking just for termination) the requirement is to see one mark.] > -----Original Message----- > From: Georgios Karagiannis [mailto:karagian@cs.utwente.nl] > Sent: 19 March 2008 16:10 > To: Eardley,PL,Philip,CXR9 R; steven.blake@ericsson.com > Cc: pcn@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN meeting > > Hi Phil > > But in order to trigger the admission control and flow termination, > the situation CLE > 1% has to be first triggered. > > Best regards, > Georgios > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: philip.eardley@bt.com [mailto:philip.eardley@bt.com] > > Sent: woensdag 19 maart 2008 17:07 > > To: karagian@cs.utwente.nl; steven.blake@ericsson.com > > Cc: pcn@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN meeting > > > > Georgios, > > > > I notice you refer to CLE below. Note that for termination > > the relevant parameter is the Sustainable rate, that is the > > rate of unmarked pkts (or, if SM being used, this rate is > > multiplied by the domain-wide parameter U). > > > > phil > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of > > > Georgios Karagiannis > > > Sent: 19 March 2008 15:49 > > > To: 'Steven Blake' > > > Cc: pcn@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN meeting > > > > > > Hi Steven > > > > > > Okay, I will have to spend some time on this! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Georgios > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Steven Blake [mailto:steven.blake@ericsson.com] > > > > Sent: woensdag 19 maart 2008 16:43 > > > > To: Georgios Karagiannis > > > > Cc: pcn@ietf.org > > > > Subject: RE: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN meeting > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 16:24 +0100, Georgios Karagiannis wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Steven > > > > > > > > > > Please see that I have included some information into the > > > > last bullet: > > > > > > > > > > - There is an ingress-egress aggregate whose traffic is > > > > split across > > > > > multiple paths via ECMP. > > > > > - Traffic is admitted along this split path. > > > > > - One (or more) of the paths fails. > > > > > - One (or more) of the remaining paths becomes severely > > > > congested (for > > > > > example because there is traffic from other ingress-egress > > > > > aggregates flowing along that path). > > > > > - <<Due to the ECMP routing not congested paths will > > > > forward packets > > > > > belonging to > > > > > the same ingress-egress-aggregate that will be unmarked.>> > > Marked > > > > > packets are > > > > > preferentially dropped at the severely congested > > > > > router(s). As a consequence, not enough marked traffic arrives > > at > > > > > the egress router to drive the CLE for the ingress-egress > > aggregate > > > > > above the threshold needed to trigger a response (termination, > > say). > > > > > > > > Ok. To be specific, the egressrouter will see some fraction of > > > > packets from the severely congested router(s), some of > > which will be > > > > marked, and will see a larger fraction of un-marked > > packets from the > > > > un-pre-congested routers. > > > > > > > > So let me now ask you this: given N ECMP paths (after a path > > > > failure), with one being severely congested and the rest being > > > > un-pre-congested, and given a CLE threshold CLE_thresh at > > the egress > > > > router, can you solve for the minimum PCN_lower_threshold > > value at > > > > the severely congested router, where PCN still works (e.g., CLE > > > > crosses the threshold), for the two cases where (1) > > marked packets > > > > are preferentially dropped, and (2) marked packets are > > dropped with > > > > equal probability with un-marked packets? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > Steven Blake <steven.blake@ericsson.com> > > > > Ericsson/Redback Networks +1 919-472-9913 > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PCN mailing list > > > PCN@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn > > > _______________________________________________ PCN mailing list PCN@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn
- [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN mee… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… toby.moncaster
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Anna Charny (acharny)
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Anna Charny (acharny)
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Anna Charny (acharny)
- [PCN] [Fwd: RE: Concensus questions from Thursday… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Wei Gengyu
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Michael Menth
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… toby.moncaster
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Anna Charny (acharny)
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Anna Charny (acharny)
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Wei Gengyu
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Anna Charny (acharny)
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Anna Charny (acharny)
- [PCN] Fw: Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Wei Gengyu
- [PCN] On pcn and overloads (was: Concensus questi… Anna Charny (acharny)
- Re: [PCN] On pcn and overloads (was: Concensus qu… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] On pcn and overloads (was: Concensus qu… Anna Charny (acharny)
- Re: [PCN] On pcn and overloads (was: Concensus qu… toby.moncaster
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- [PCN] Georgios's example philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Steven Blake
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Michael Menth
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… Michael Menth
- Re: [PCN] Concensus questions from Thursday's PCN… philip.eardley