Re: [pcp] A question: How can an internal client get the external IP and port of the inner NAT

<mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> Tue, 27 October 2015 07:19 UTC

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Hi Chen,

FWIW, you may read this document: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-penno-pcp-nested-nat-03. The content is not that “fresh”, but it discusses some sample configurations (PCP-unaware NAT, PCP-aware NAT, etc.)

In case all your NATs are PCP-aware, you may read https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7648#section-1.1. The recursion can be terminated as detailed in: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7648#section-3.2.

Cheers,
Med

De : pcp [mailto:pcp-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Chenguohai
Envoyé : lundi 26 octobre 2015 02:55
À : 🔓Dan Wing; ChenGuohai
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Objet : Re: [pcp] A question: How can an internal client get the external IP and port of the inner NAT



Hi Dan,

Thank again.
What is the workflow in nested NATs for internal host?
1: the client must judge how many NATs are there in the path and the order;
2: nogotiate with the fisrt PCP server(in the most nested NAT) for the exteral IP and port;
3:use the negotiated IP and port with the second PCP server;
4 do step 2 and 3 until communicating to the most external PCP server.

Does this make sense?

BR
G.Robert  Chen
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发件人: 🔓Dan Wing [mailto:dwing@cisco.com]
发送时间: 2015年10月24日 23:54
收件人: ChenGuohai
抄送: Chenguohai; pcp@ietf.org<mailto:pcp@ietf.org>
主题: Re: [pcp] A question: How can an internal client get the external IP and port of the inner NAT


On 23-Oct-2015 06:04 pm, ChenGuohai <chenguohai67@outlook.com<mailto:chenguohai67@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Dan,

Many thanks for your explaination.

Inner NATs are mostly used in residents and external NATs are CGNs is the most common nested NAT case.

Using PCP means that the CPE(inner NAT) must embed a PCP server.  The PCP client should communicats with two PCP servers.

Right.


Using STUN means a STUN server need to be deployed between inner NAT and external NAT. Shall this be common?

Not that I have seen.

-d



Manual configuration is very cost.


BR
G.Robert  Chen

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Subject: Re: [pcp] A question: How can an internal client get the external IP and port of the inner NAT
From: dwing@cisco.com<mailto:dwing@cisco.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:44:15 -0700
CC: pcp@ietf.org<mailto:pcp@ietf.org>; chenguohai67@outlook.com<mailto:chenguohai67@outlook.com>
To: chenguohai@huawei.com<mailto:chenguohai@huawei.com>

On 22-Oct-2015 08:24 pm, Chenguohai <chenguohai@huawei.com<mailto:chenguohai@huawei.com>> wrote:


Hi all,
I am new to PCP and reading RFC6887.I have a question about section 8.1. On the upper part of page 22 writing following,
the PCP-controlled NAT creating pointless non-functional mappings.
   When such an intervening non-PCP-aware inner NAT is detected,
   mappings must first be created by some other means in the inner NAT,
   before mappings can be usefully created in the outer PCP-controlled
   NAT.  Having created mappings in the inner NAT by some other means,
   the PCP client should then use the inner NAT’s external address as
   the client IP address, to signal to the outer PCP-controlled NAT that
   the client is aware of the inner NAT, and has taken steps to create
   mappings in it by some other means, so that mappings created in the
   outer NAT will not be a pointless waste of resources.

My question is that how an interal client could get the external IP and port of the inner NAT.

PCP, UPnP IGD, STUN, manual configuration.

Should there be server between the inner NAT and the external one? How could it be assured that the inner NAT does not change external port?

Hopefully whatever mechanism the client used (PCP, UPnP IGD, STUN, manual configuration) would tell the client of such a change.

-d




BR
G.Robert  Chen
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G.Robert  Chen (Chen Guohai  陈国海). Network Research Department, Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. Telephone: 0086-25-56624606;   http://www.huawei.com<http://www.huawei.com/>
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