Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Survey of Worldwide Censorship Techniques"
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From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <hall@isoc.org>
To: Chelsea Komlo <chelsea.komlo@gmail.com>, Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>
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Subject: Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Survey of Worldwide Censorship Techniques"
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Thank you, Chelsea! I have a ton of $dayjob responsibilities this week that make it difficult to respond quickly, so I think what I'll do is absorb this and other reviews and peel off github issues (discussion which I'll replicate or reference here) to deal with these later this week (and I'll pow-wow with chairs, e.g, Chris). Very thankful for the many reviews and please don't let my inability to respond quickly stifle any discussion! best, Joe ________________________________ From: Pearg <pearg-bounces@irtf.org> on behalf of Chelsea Komlo <chelsea.komlo@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:30 To: Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net> Cc: pearg@irtf.org <pearg@irtf.org> Subject: Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Survey of Worldwide Censorship Techniques" Hi Chris, I have a couple meta points and a few specific points. Overall, my strongest recommendation is threefold. First, I recommend improving the document organization to clearly differentiate between a specific censorship technique and corresponding methods to circumvent that technique. Second, I suggest strengthening the review of current circumvention techniques and their effectiveness to give an improved view of the landscape and to prevent re-inventing the wheel, as the intended audience is protocol designers.. Third, I recommend differentiating between the capabilities of mature censors like China, and weaker censors such as those with only off-the-shelf tools. Here is my discussion of these points in more detail. === Meta Points === - While I understand this draft to be purely informational, understanding censorship today is incomplete without understanding existing censorship circumvention techniques, and how effective these techniques are.. Critically, some of the most effective and safe censorship techniques are "hanging by a thread" in terms of how much longer they will be available (such as domain fronting), so understanding these weak areas is important to understanding the sustainability of the current circumvention landscape. I suggest adding at minimum a discussion of "Where are we today" regarding circumvention. - To go along with the above point, providing a better review of existing censorship circumvention techniques will help encourage building on existing work, as opposed to re-inventing the wheel from first principles. While perhaps this review should be a follow-up document, I strongly encourage providing such a review, especially since the intended audience is protocol designs. - Within the draft itself, the discussion of censorship techniques is often interwoven with circumvention methods. I suggest separating these concepts out within each section. Instead of a "Tradeoffs" section, perhaps have sections pertaining to "Cost to Implement to Censor", and "Techniques to Circumvent", for improved clarity. - One important point is that while China is an extremely powerful censor, they are often in a class of their own. I encourage including a discussion of something like "censor maturity" or the technical resources required to implement different techniques. There is a bit of this discussion, but it can be better standardized and applied to each technique. For example, IP blacklisting is trivial and does not require significant infrastructure (and many censors do this), but performing active probing to fingerprint protocols and block them on the fly requires much more infrastructure and planning (and is essentially only China, as I understand). === Specific Points === - DPI (deep packet inspection) is technically any kind of packet analysis beyond IP address and port number- this concept can be better clarified. Further, this technique is not specific to - Clearly highlighting techniques that are thwarted by the use of TLS versus techniques which can be performed even in spite of TLS usage would also likely be helpful to readers. Thanks, Chelsea On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:00 AM Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net<mailto:caw@heapingbits.net>> wrote: This is the research group last call for the "A Survey of Worldwide Censorship Techniques" (draft-irtf-pearg-censorship) draft available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-pearg-censorship/ Please review the document and send your comments to the list by June 5, 2020. Feedback may also be sent to the GitHub repository located here: https://github.com/IRTF-PEARG/rfc-censorship-tech Thanks, Chris, on behalf of the chairs -- Pearg mailing list Pearg@irtf.org<mailto:Pearg@irtf.org> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/pearg -- Chelsea H. Komlo
- [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Survey of… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Gurshabad Grover
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Amelia Andersdotter
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… David Oliver
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Chelsea Komlo
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… David Oliver
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Chelsea Komlo
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Amelia Andersdotter
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Chelsea Komlo
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… S. Moonesamy
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… S. Moonesamy
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… S. Moonesamy
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… S. Moonesamy