Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-04.txt
Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Tue, 04 August 2020 18:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-04.txt
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On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 05:25:41PM +0200, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote a message of 31 lines which said: > 1. any blocking of content > 2. any blocking of content except when done for technical and network security reasons (botnets, malware etc) > 3. only the blocking of political content opposing a country's regime I don't think that anyone, at the IETF or elsewhere, would label "censorship" "any blocking of content". If I install uBlock on my browser (or Pi Hole on the network), it is clearly not censorship if half of the content of a Web page is blocked. Censorship is when a third party blocks content that the sender wants to send and the recipient wants to receive. Your case 2 is in the grey area since it can be said that the recipient does not want to receive malware. Also, case 3 is way too narrow. If content is blocked for business reasons, it is no longer censorship? > accepts to be depicted like that. I agree with Mallory here: people cannot choose how they are depicted, it would be too easy. > Then, it seems to me (though I haven't gone through the draft > checking each and every reference) that almost all examples in the > draft relate to authoritarian countries Several examples (may be only a minority) are for the European Union. Most members of the EU cannot probably be described as "authoritarian". > - only limit the survey to the examples that fall in #3, as these > are unanimously considered to be censorship; Not even that case is unanimous. The chinese governement does not call its blocking "censorship" but use nice words like "maintaning harmony".
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- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Shivan Sahib
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Amelia Andersdotter
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Vittorio Bertola
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- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Juliana Guerra
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Joseph Lorenzo Hall