Re: [Pearg] [saag] Ten years after Snowden (2013 - 2023), is IETF keeping its promises?

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Thu, 05 January 2023 23:51 UTC

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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2023 18:51:17 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Pearg] [saag] Ten years after Snowden (2013 - 2023), is IETF keeping its promises?
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On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 2:10 PM Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I suppose that you have to question whether IP is the ideal base for
> multicast?
>
> There are many ways to provide a group communication model to applications.
>
> > Our networks are no longer mono-protocol and multicast tends to be
> domain specific.
>
> Yes, but the IP headers are the same in all of them.
>
> > Many of the original uses for multicast are now dominated by unicast
> packet duplication with edge computing making this less of a bandwidth hog,
> so it is not clear what the long term future of multicast is.
>
> Not on Wall Street. But you will say that is domain specific, and that's
> okay.
>
> Should we really be building an IP header or have semantics on an IP
> header for different domains?
>

Wall street is likely to be in a unique class here.

I don't think we need to consider multicast a failure if it doesn't end up
being used because the functionality is being provided at a higher level in
the stack.

At some point we should do a QUIC like transport for Multicast/Packet
Duplication.