Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-04.txt

Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org> Tue, 04 August 2020 17:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-04.txt
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On 8/4/20 12:59 PM, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

>> Il 04/08/2020 17:38 Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org> ha scritto:
>>
>>   
>> On 8/4/20 11:25 AM, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>>
>>> So for a significant part of the Internet community these techniques can be used for legitimate purposes other than censorship, and this should be acknowledged from the beginning, agreeing that not everyone using these techniques is a censor or accepts to be depicted like that.
>> It's been said in this thread that censorship can be legitimate or
>> illegitimate.
> But not in the draft, as far as I can recall.
It's out of scope to define censorship from scratch, and it references a 
wikipedia page that says this very thing in the first para.
>> It shouldn't be the aim of this draft to talk about the censors at all,
>> nor how they'd like to be depicted. The draft is about the techniques.
> The point is whether we can ever come to consensus on this draft and turn it into an RFC, which in my opinion is going to be hard if some IETF participants have to accept to be labelled as "censors" for using the techniques in the draft to, say, block access to phishing websites, or execute a court order.

Consensus isn't required for an IRTF RFC. Again, the draft doesn't label 
censors; it's a draft about techniques.

-Mallory

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Mallory Knodel
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