Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-04.txt

Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org> Tue, 04 August 2020 15:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-04.txt
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On 8/4/20 11:25 AM, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> So for a significant part of the Internet community these techniques can be used for legitimate purposes other than censorship, and this should be acknowledged from the beginning, agreeing that not everyone using these techniques is a censor or accepts to be depicted like that.

It's been said in this thread that censorship can be legitimate or 
illegitimate.

It shouldn't be the aim of this draft to talk about the censors at all, 
nor how they'd like to be depicted. The draft is about the techniques.

-Mallory

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