Re: [Pearg] Proposed virtual interim on IP address privacy

Brad Lassey <lassey@google.com> Mon, 16 November 2020 16:18 UTC

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From: Brad Lassey <lassey@google.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 11:17:42 -0500
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Cc: Brad Lassey <lassey=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, pearg@irtf.org, Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>, Dimitris Theodorakis <dth@whiteops.com>
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Subject: Re: [Pearg] Proposed virtual interim on IP address privacy
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Dimitris from Whiteops has expressed interest in participating as well.

-Brad

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:06 AM Chelsea Komlo <chelsea.komlo@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> I recommend that someone from Tor be invited to give a talk on how the
> privacy properties provided by tools like Tor differ from some of the other
> mechanisms presented (like VPNs or willful IP blindness).
>
> Chelsea
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 7:40 AM Brad Lassey <lassey=
> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> I'd very much be interested in attending as well as presenting on Willful
>> IP Blindness.
>>
>> -Brad
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 3:08 PM Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Chris,
>>>
>>> Some of us have done some work in this area. For example:
>>>
>>> * RFC7707
>>> * RFC7721
>>> * RFC7217
>>> * RFC8064
>>> * draft-ietf-6man-rfc4941bis
>>>
>>> That said, my comments and questions are:
>>>
>>> * I'd be interested in attending
>>>
>>> * Is this a meeting to simply to discuss the topic, or do you have any
>>> proposed work in mind? (if so, what, specifically?  Or is possible
>>> future work up for discussion?)
>>>
>>> * I don't know if the work referenced above is in-topic and of interest.
>>> If it is, and you think it would make sense to do a presentation to
>>> provide an overview, I'd be happy to.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Fernando
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13/11/20 14:23, Christopher Wood wrote:
>>> > The PEARG chairs would like to propose a virtual interim on the topic
>>> of IP address privacy.
>>> >
>>> > IP address uses:
>>> > - Spam, abuse, fraud, DoS protection
>>> > - Geo IP
>>> > - Ad targeting
>>> > - ... others?
>>> >
>>> > Privacy attacks:
>>> > - IP re-identification
>>> > - IP-based fingerprinting
>>> >
>>> > IP hiding or blindness:
>>> > - VPNs (and related technologies like Firefox Private Network)
>>> > - Willful IP Blindness (https://github.com/bslassey/ip-blindness)
>>> >
>>> > The format of this would be presentation-based, though we might turn
>>> it into a workshop of sorts if folks think that would be more useful.
>>> >
>>> > We are aiming for some time in early December or January. We'd like to
>>> hear from folks here if they'd be interested in attending such an interim,
>>> and if so, whether they'd like to contribute to the agenda. Of course,
>>> suggestions to alter the agenda are also welcome!
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Chris, on behalf of the chairs
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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