Re: [Pearg] Proposed virtual interim on IP address privacy

I am also interested in attending, representing YouTube Trust & Safety.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 1:41 PM David Turner <dbturner@google.com> wrote:

> + Philipp
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:19 AM Per Bjorke <bjorke@google.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm also interesting in attending (I'm on Google's invalid traffic/ad
>> fraud team together with David Turner).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Per
>>
>>
>> Per Bjorke | Sr Product Manager, Ad Traffic Quality | bjorke@google.com |
>>  650-245-3105
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:10 AM David Turner <dbturner@google.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +Per Bjorke <bjorke@google.com>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:01 AM David Turner <dbturner@google.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm also interested in attending and presenting on behalf of the Google
>>>> Ad Traffic Quality team.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 8:59 AM Paul Jensen <pauljensen=
>>>> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd very much be interested in attending.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 11:18 AM Brad Lassey <lassey=
>>>>> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dimitris from Whiteops has expressed interest in participating as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:06 AM Chelsea Komlo <
>>>>>> chelsea.komlo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I recommend that someone from Tor be invited to give a talk on how
>>>>>>> the privacy properties provided by tools like Tor differ from some of the
>>>>>>> other mechanisms presented (like VPNs or willful IP blindness).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chelsea
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 7:40 AM Brad Lassey <lassey=
>>>>>>> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd very much be interested in attending as well as presenting on
>>>>>>>> Willful IP Blindness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 3:08 PM Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi, Chris,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of us have done some work in this area. For example:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * RFC7707
>>>>>>>>> * RFC7721
>>>>>>>>> * RFC7217
>>>>>>>>> * RFC8064
>>>>>>>>> * draft-ietf-6man-rfc4941bis
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That said, my comments and questions are:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * I'd be interested in attending
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * Is this a meeting to simply to discuss the topic, or do you have
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> proposed work in mind? (if so, what, specifically?  Or is possible
>>>>>>>>> future work up for discussion?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * I don't know if the work referenced above is in-topic and of
>>>>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>>>> If it is, and you think it would make sense to do a presentation
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> provide an overview, I'd be happy to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Fernando
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/11/20 14:23, Christopher Wood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > The PEARG chairs would like to propose a virtual interim on the
>>>>>>>>> topic of IP address privacy.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > IP address uses:
>>>>>>>>> > - Spam, abuse, fraud, DoS protection
>>>>>>>>> > - Geo IP
>>>>>>>>> > - Ad targeting
>>>>>>>>> > - ... others?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Privacy attacks:
>>>>>>>>> > - IP re-identification
>>>>>>>>> > - IP-based fingerprinting
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > IP hiding or blindness:
>>>>>>>>> > - VPNs (and related technologies like Firefox Private Network)
>>>>>>>>> > - Willful IP Blindness (https://github.com/bslassey/ip-blindness
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > The format of this would be presentation-based, though we might
>>>>>>>>> turn it into a workshop of sorts if folks think that would be more useful.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > We are aiming for some time in early December or January. We'd
>>>>>>>>> like to hear from folks here if they'd be interested in attending such an
>>>>>>>>> interim, and if so, whether they'd like to contribute to the agenda. Of
>>>>>>>>> course, suggestions to alter the agenda are also welcome!
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Best,
>>>>>>>>> > Chris, on behalf of the chairs
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Fernando Gont
>>>>>>>>> SI6 Networks
>>>>>>>>> e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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