[Pearg] About consent (Was: I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-04.txt
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Subject: [Pearg] About consent (Was: I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-04.txt
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On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 09:40:41AM +0200, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com> wrote a message of 20 lines which said: > Under this definition - or any other definition based on consent Note that I did not mention consent but desire. This is because, in Internet policy speak, "consent" is used for something which is quite different from a real consent: just clicking "I agree" on a button, whithout reading the dozens of pages of the terms of use, code of conduct or whatever. For the end user, it is reasonable to click without reading since they have no choice, anyway. (Another good reason for not reading the text is because it was written by californian lawyers so ordinary humans cannot really understand it.) This is why GDPR, in its wisdom <https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj>, says "Consent is presumed not to be freely given if it does not allow separate consent to be given to different personal data processing operations despite it being appropriate in the individual case, or if the performance of a contract, including the provision of a service, is dependent on the consent despite such consent not being necessary for such performance." According to this vision, most of the time, on the Internet, consent was not freely given. To summarize: "consent" is now a very dangerous term and it is better not to use it.
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- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Vittorio Bertola
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- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Vittorio Bertola
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- Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorsh… Vittorio Bertola
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