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Re: [Pearg] Call for adoption: draft-learmonth-pearg-safe-internet-measurement-02.txt

Iain Learmonth <irl@torproject.org> Thu, 23 May 2019 08:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Pearg] Call for adoption: draft-learmonth-pearg-safe-internet-measurement-02.txt
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On 23/05/2019 08:41, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> Separately, I think I have comments on the "consent" section - it's fine
> to discuss what would be nice to do, but at least in GDPR-land there is
> hard law on what requires end-user consent and what does not, which of
> course takes precedence.

This document is not meant to offer legal advice, but rather set a
baseline for safety that may be further restricted by local laws. I'd
like to just say this once in the scope section, and not have to repeat
it throughout the document.

On the other hand, if GDPR has specific places that would require
consent then I would be happy to cite those as referenced examples to
help readers. I think specific examples definitely have a place in this
document.

Thanks,
Iain.

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