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Re: [Pearg] [saag] Ten years after Snowden (2013 - 2023), is IETF keeping its promises?

Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Thu, 12 January 2023 10:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Pearg] [saag] Ten years after Snowden (2013 - 2023), is IETF keeping its promises?
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On 4/1/23 05:59, Antoine FRESSANCOURT wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> IP addresses are indeed topological. As you mentioned, the challenge with making the network layer privacy-preserving is how to route the packet without revealing the source and destination of packets.

Isn't that a bit like saying "the challenge is to take a cab and get to 
the intended destination without telling the taxi driver where to go"?

Thanks,
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Fernando Gont
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