Re: [Pearg] Proposed virtual interim on IP address privacy

Paul Jensen <pauljensen@google.com> Mon, 16 November 2020 16:57 UTC

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From: Paul Jensen <pauljensen@google.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 11:57:08 -0500
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Cc: Chelsea Komlo <chelsea.komlo@gmail.com>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, Dimitris Theodorakis <dth@whiteops.com>, pearg@irtf.org, Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>
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Subject: Re: [Pearg] Proposed virtual interim on IP address privacy
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I'd very much be interested in attending.

-Paul

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 11:18 AM Brad Lassey <lassey=
40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Dimitris from Whiteops has expressed interest in participating as well.
>
> -Brad
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:06 AM Chelsea Komlo <chelsea.komlo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I recommend that someone from Tor be invited to give a talk on how the
>> privacy properties provided by tools like Tor differ from some of the other
>> mechanisms presented (like VPNs or willful IP blindness).
>>
>> Chelsea
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 7:40 AM Brad Lassey <lassey=
>> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd very much be interested in attending as well as presenting on
>>> Willful IP Blindness.
>>>
>>> -Brad
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 3:08 PM Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Some of us have done some work in this area. For example:
>>>>
>>>> * RFC7707
>>>> * RFC7721
>>>> * RFC7217
>>>> * RFC8064
>>>> * draft-ietf-6man-rfc4941bis
>>>>
>>>> That said, my comments and questions are:
>>>>
>>>> * I'd be interested in attending
>>>>
>>>> * Is this a meeting to simply to discuss the topic, or do you have any
>>>> proposed work in mind? (if so, what, specifically?  Or is possible
>>>> future work up for discussion?)
>>>>
>>>> * I don't know if the work referenced above is in-topic and of
>>>> interest.
>>>> If it is, and you think it would make sense to do a presentation to
>>>> provide an overview, I'd be happy to.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Fernando
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13/11/20 14:23, Christopher Wood wrote:
>>>> > The PEARG chairs would like to propose a virtual interim on the topic
>>>> of IP address privacy.
>>>> >
>>>> > IP address uses:
>>>> > - Spam, abuse, fraud, DoS protection
>>>> > - Geo IP
>>>> > - Ad targeting
>>>> > - ... others?
>>>> >
>>>> > Privacy attacks:
>>>> > - IP re-identification
>>>> > - IP-based fingerprinting
>>>> >
>>>> > IP hiding or blindness:
>>>> > - VPNs (and related technologies like Firefox Private Network)
>>>> > - Willful IP Blindness (https://github.com/bslassey/ip-blindness)
>>>> >
>>>> > The format of this would be presentation-based, though we might turn
>>>> it into a workshop of sorts if folks think that would be more useful.
>>>> >
>>>> > We are aiming for some time in early December or January. We'd like
>>>> to hear from folks here if they'd be interested in attending such an
>>>> interim, and if so, whether they'd like to contribute to the agenda. Of
>>>> course, suggestions to alter the agenda are also welcome!
>>>> >
>>>> > Best,
>>>> > Chris, on behalf of the chairs
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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