Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-hall-censorship-tech
Shivan Sahib <ssahib@salesforce.com> Fri, 17 May 2019 02:23 UTC
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From: Shivan Sahib <ssahib@salesforce.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 19:23:40 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-hall-censorship-tech
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Hi Joe! Chris, you and I have talked about this offline, but just to close that loop, I would personally like to see this draft in PEARG. We can discuss whether we want to keep this a regularly-updated-draft or something else in the RG meeting at IETF 105 (we can do a short presentation, if you're interested). One thing that would be good to see more of in the draft would be technical ways to get around censorship by using privacy-preserving technology. That discussion definitely does not have to be exhaustive! Thanks, Shivan On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:46 AM Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote: > (Bcc'ing SECDISPATCH and SAAG as an FYI; thread on PEARG) > > Hello, apologies for cross-posting. > > At IETF 91 in 2014 we presented some very early work before SAAG that > describes how global censors use protocols to censor data flows (block, > impair, modify, etc.). After some editing in subsequent years based on > superb feedback from SAAG folks (Stephane B., Andrew M., thank you!) we had > tentative AD sponsorship and some thoughts that this was better on the IETF > side of the house rather than in a RG. > > We've started to work on it again* and since the original draft we now > have SECDISPATCH to help "the misfit toys of security" find a home in terms > of IETF process... I very briefly described this work yesterday in > SECDISPATCH and Chris Wood, the new PEARG co-chair, suggested that PEARG > would be a good place for this work since part of what they would like to > do in that RG is document certain privacy-implicating things in the real > world. > > We don't really have a preference where this ends up -- there's even a > case to be made that given the dynamic nature of censorship that this will > necessarily always be a work in progress. We have heard people find it > useful and PEARG seems as good as anywhere, and obviously the process to > get to an RG RFC would help it get better (at least that is my impression!). > > Here is the current version of the draft and the repo we're using to track > issues and version the doc: > > draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hall-censorship-tech-07 > repo: https://github.com/josephlhall/rfc-censorship-tech > > Would love to hear if this is something people think PEARG would like to > work on and we have some ideas about additional documents in a series like > this (e.g., having some real-world descriptive reference on research and > practice in terms of traffic analysis could be really useful for IETF > folks, I suspect.) > > Cheers! --Joe Hall > > (copying two co-authors, Stan from CDT and Nick from Princeton) > > * IASA2 has been a big focus of my own for the last two years. > > -- > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org > ] > 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 > e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 > > Don't miss out! CDT's Tech Prom is April 10, 2019, at The > Anthem. Please join us: https://cdt.org/annual-dinner/ > -- > Pearg mailing list > Pearg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/pearg >
- [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-hall-c… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Shivan Sahib
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Shivan Sahib
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Gurshabad Grover
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Amelia Andersdotter
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-ha… Shivan Sahib