Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might use the IoT to spy on you

Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster@mykolab.com> Fri, 12 February 2016 04:32 UTC

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On 2/11/2016 7:54 PM, dan@geer.org wrote:

>> Yup - so much for the dire warnings about the Internet "going
>> dark"...
> 
> The IoT will be why the percentage of the network that is dark, 
> that is to say unreachable, will approach 99%.  They will get
> their addresses from DHCP4/6 and will be behind a firewall that
> will prevent inbound connections by default.  The default-routable 
> customer network is history.
> 
> And if that turns out to not be the case, the world will then
> truly be the traffic analyst's oyster.
> 

I am very much liking the way you are thinking here, Dan Geer. :-)

Cheers,

- - ferg



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