Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft

[Rob Stradling <[e-mail]>]

On 20/11/13 22:54, joel jaeggli wrote:
> a surveillor and a surveyor are rather different things.

s/surveillor/surveillant/  ?

>> S.
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>     Brian
>>>
>>> On 21/11/2013 11:16, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Following up on item 3a from the status/plan mail [1] I sent
>>>> last week, Hannes and myself have written up an I-D [2] that
>>>> tries to capture the consensus in the room from the Vancouver
>>>> tech plenary and we're proposing as a BCP.
>>>>
>>>> We're deliberately trying to keep this short and sweet and to
>>>> not (yet) go beyond what was the gist of the hums - we think
>>>> progressing e.g. the threat model or the privacy BCP or other
>>>> bits of related work is liable to take longer and there's value
>>>> in documenting that the IETF as a whole has consensus on the
>>>> most significant bit first so those and other bits of work
>>>> don't all have to re-establish that as they are processed.
>>>> Hopefully we can all easily agree that that's a useful target
>>>> and focus comments on whether on not we've expressed that
>>>> consensus well or not.
>>>>
>>>> <boring-bit>
>>>> We've been bouncing versions of this around amongst the IESG
>>>> and IAB for the last week, and process-wise, that has been
>>>> fun already. As you'll see from section 3 of the draft, we can
>>>> no longer just shoot out an RFC agreed by the IESG and IAB so
>>>> the plan for this is that when Hannes and I figure this looks
>>>> ready, based on your comments, then we'll ask Jari to start a
>>>> 4-week IETF LC for it. When he thinks that's ok he'll start it
>>>> and then we'll see how that goes. Assuming that goes well, then
>>>> sometime during IESG evaluation the IAB will decide if they
>>>> like the final text (or not, which'd be "interesting") and if
>>>> they do then an IAB note saying "yep, we like it" will be added
>>>> sometime during/after IESG evaluation before this goes to the
>>>> RFC editor. In an ideal world, you'll all love the -00 already
>>>> and tell us that and we'll be done with all of the above super
>>>> duper process stuff by the end of the year. (Haven't we built
>>>> ourselves a lovely crazy process? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I really hope we don't end up with a process debate over this,
>>>> since the above, silly and all as it is, should achieve the
>>>> desirable outcome which is a simple BCP, approved by the IESG
>>>> after an IETF LC and also supported by the IAB. The value in
>>>> that is that it seems to be as close as we can get to the same
>>>> setup as RFCs 1984 and 2804 which is the right kind of heritage
>>>> for this one. So there is a reasonably good reason for the
>>>> process-crap.
>>>> </boring-bit>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, ignoring process, comments on this are welcome, so
>>>> please take a read of the two pages of content and let us know
>>>> what you think. If you do think its already good enough for
>>>> starting an IETF last call, then saying that is useful as well.
>>>>
>>>> And since the IETF LC will happen on the [e-mail] list,
>>>> using this list for initial processing should be fine.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> S.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/perpass/current/msg01016.html
>>>> [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrell-perpass-attack
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