Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might use the IoT to spy on you

dan@geer.org Sun, 14 February 2016 02:13 UTC

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> The Thing System seems to be more about adapting itself to stupid
> devices, rather than creating better (more secure, more private)
> standards for devices to adhere to.

In the IoT must we re-enable Postel's Law?

--dan