Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Working Group
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Wed, 11 December 2013 22:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Working Group
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On 12/11/2013 1:56 PM, Ben Laurie wrote: > Agree, I just want to be able to refer to 6962 for what > "cryptographically verifiable log" means. Being able to cite a doc that defines the term is always nice; so yes, please do cite freely. My own view is that charters need to have some pedagogy, since one goal of a charter is to explain the work to folk who might get involved (eventually). While a citation is formally sufficient, it's not the best pedagogy. So I tend to prefer to have a charter be somewhat self-explanatory about its basic constructs, unless they are already very well established in industry. In this case, I think what you mean is /not/ obvious to a reader who is not already immersed in the topic. So some sort of superficial explanation would help, with the citation pointing the reader to the deeper discussion. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Workin… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Dave Crocker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Dave Crocker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Douglas Otis
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Stephen Kent
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Dave Crocker
- Re: [perpass] [saag] Draft charter for a Transpar… Paul Lambert
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Stephen Kent
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Robin Wilton
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Stephen Kent
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie