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Re: [perpass] draft-josefsson-email-received-privacy

Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> Mon, 26 October 2015 15:33 UTC

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"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

>> I am concerned about taking on a too wide scope.  I think it may be
>> possible to reach closure on improving the Received header wrt privacy.
>
> Perhaps, although all of that stuff is also useful for identifying
> sources of malware, phishing, and other online evils.
>
> Assuming you agree that having someone's bank account credentials
> stolen is a privacy problem, this is not a simple question, and any
> simple answer is wrong.

Agreed.  I'm merely concerned that if we can't come up with a solution
to having someone's bank account credentials stolen, we shouldn't stall
attempting to resolve smaller problems that we can identify, such as a
privacy violation in the Received header.

/Simon

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