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Re: [perpass] [saag] Draft charter for a Transparency Working Group

Paul Lambert <paul@marvell.com> Thu, 12 December 2013 16:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: [perpass] [saag] Draft charter for a Transparency Working Group
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On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Ben Laurie <benl@google.com<mailto:benl@google.com>> wrote:

Agree, I just want to be able to refer to 6962 for what
"cryptographically verifiable log" means.

Dear Ben,

There was an eXtensible Access Method, XAM, developed by SNIA.  This permitted vendors a means to implement strategies for handling massive amounts of data in a manner called Content Addressable Storage, such as EMC^2's Centera product. The data blobs create multiple secure hashes that act within a standardized label. The blobs are combined with timestamps and XML MIME tags. This removes a need for difficult to manage file hierarchy.  One of the benefits of this scheme is data can not change without detection.

Interesting … in IEEE we’re  defining ‘services’ as a hash/UUID-like identifier https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/12/11-12-0706-00-0isd-service-discovery-proposal.pptx ).  UPnP and Bonjour are both mapped to a hash.  We’re truncating them to 6 octets … but that’s a different discussion.

In looking at Transparency for “X”, I’d suggest that the X can be an arbitrary service identified as a hash.

Paul


SNIA now seems focused on identifying individuals.  Perhaps this is an outgrowth of their data-deduplication?
http://www.snia.org/tech_activities/standards/curr_standards/xam

Regards,
Douglas Otis

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