Re: [perpass] perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01

Bruce Perens <> Wed, 04 December 2013 20:29 UTC

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On 12/04/2013 11:55 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
Dear Bruce,

Why do you dignify these actions as 'law enforcement' or even as
'national defense' when we're discussing illegal spying?
Because some of them are in my interest. And yours.

We have a nasty part of government that thinks it is in an an endless war. Every liberal nation, historically, discontinues its nice rights and protections during wartime.

But I don't kid myself that nothing that they are doing is done to protect me and others like me from a zillion nut-cases who conspire to do people harm and sometimes actually carry it out. I have met some of those nut-cases.

Every society chooses its balance between freedom and enforcement. Ours isn't the right balance today, agreed. But the proposals I see here are the hacker approach - we're not patient to deal with this as a political problem, so we'll change everyone's web browser.
Pervasive surveillance, censorship and malware is a serious threat regardless of your feelings about the NSA.
And will continue to be so after all web transactions are encrypted. You're not going to actually solve any problems.