Re: [perpass] Getting started...

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sat, 17 August 2013 10:30 UTC

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Hi Brian,

On 08/17/2013 11:17 AM, Brian Trammell wrote:
> Of course, if the threat model is "the adversary cooperates with the
> endpoint(s) of the communication", there's not a whole lot you can do
> at the protocol level. 

That's correct. But (and yes, anecdotally;-) the submarine cable
monitoring was apparently done with the co-operation of the cable
owners and not of (all) the n/w operators using those cables. So
even when there is "co-operation," it may be that not everyone at
every n/w layer is co-operating.

> But that is, I think, a point for wider
> discussion, and there is significant work to be done, even if it just
> ends up being a cross-area awareness-building exercise; on which more
> soon.

Looking forward to that.

S.