Re: [perpass] Egal wie man diskutiert

Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> Sun, 08 December 2013 18:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [perpass] Egal wie man diskutiert
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On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM, <Kent_Landfield@mcafee.com> wrote:

>  Really? Is this what this list is for?  If you want to rant about your
> political views please go elsewhere.  If you want to try to solve a
> problem, we are all ears.  This is not about one government or another
> doing something bad since all governments do it. Some are just better at it
> today. Others will catch up if we don't do something it. Regardless we need
> to address the problem not just post to see ourselves post…  Or maybe I
> totally misunderstood the reason for this list.
>

I was responding to yet another poster suggesting that we should do
nothing. If people want to argue about whether we should be doing this work
then we are arguing politics, end of story.

I have met the people and those are my personal opinions of their
trustworthiness. Nor was I the only person to come to that conclusion.



What I have suspected for some time is that our generals, the Chinese
generals and the Russian generals would all rather like to have a cyber
arms race and get the rest of us to all foot the bill for it.




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