Re: [perpass] Lauren Weinstein on Explicit Trusted Proxy in HTTP/2.0: "One of the Most Alarming Internet Proposals I've Ever Seen"

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 24 February 2014 16:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [perpass] Lauren Weinstein on Explicit Trusted Proxy in HTTP/2.0: "One of the Most Alarming Internet Proposals I've Ever Seen"
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Hiya,

On 02/24/2014 03:50 PM, Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
> Stephen Farrell:
>>> Explicit Trusted Proxy in HTTP/2.0
>>> draft-loreto-httpbis-trusted-proxy20-01
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-loreto-httpbis-trusted-proxy20-01
>>
>> That is NOT an httpbis working group draft.
> 
> That page explicitly says:
> 
> "HTTPBis Working Group
> Internet-Draft"

Yes, I think that was noted also on the WG list already but its
true it looks a bit misleading. I'd assume that's unintentional
though, its usually just someone starting from a wrong template
which is very easy to do.

> But I see that this does not imply that it has been voted on or
> something like that.

Well, we don't vote at all;-) But no, that I-D is just
yet another I-D. The proxy topic is however being discussed
so if you care, and have useful and informed technical things
to say, please do subscribe and comment etc.

To give another example: the above I-D you don't like is just
as "official" as one I co-authored [1] suggesting a way to
encrypt MPLS data which you'd maybe like better. Point is,
neither is official at all. Both are just an inherent part
of being open to anyone proposing stuff. And both will be
processed in the usual way.

Cheers,
S.

[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrelll-mpls-opportunistic-encrypt


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> Cheers,
> Andreas
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