Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Working Group
Ben Laurie <benl@google.com> Mon, 06 January 2014 17:02 UTC
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From: Ben Laurie <benl@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Working Group
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On 30 December 2013 15:36, Stephen Kent <kent@bbn.com> wrote: > Ben, > >> How's this? >> >> [1] A cryptographically verifiable log is an append-only log of hashes >> of more-or-less anything that can prove its own correctness >> cryptographically. >> >> For example, from RFC 6962: “The append-only property of each log is >> technically achieved using Merkle Trees, which can be used to show >> that any particular version of the log is a superset of any particular >> previous version. Likewise, Merkle Trees avoid the need to blindly >> trust logs: if a log attempts to show different things to different >> people, this can be efficiently detected by comparing tree roots and >> consistency proofs. Similarly, other misbehaviours of any log (e.g., >> issuing signed timestamps for certificates they then don't log) can be >> efficiently detected and proved to the world at large.” >> >> See RFC 6962, >> http://www.links.org/files/CertificateTransparencyVersion2.1a.pdf >> and http://www.links.org/files/RevocationTransparency.pdf for >> background. >> > Sorry to be so late in responding; holidays ... Likewise. > The text describing how 6962 uses Merkle trees is good. I think the > phrase "prove its own correctness" is way too broad. The example > you cite shows how to demonstrate internal consistency for a log, > and to enable third parties to verify certain lob properties. That > is much narrower than what the term "correctness" implies. How about, instead of "can prove its own correctness cryptographically", we say "allows efficient verification of behaviour"?
- [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Workin… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Dave Crocker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Dave Crocker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Douglas Otis
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Stephen Kent
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Dave Crocker
- Re: [perpass] [saag] Draft charter for a Transpar… Paul Lambert
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Stephen Kent
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Robin Wilton
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Stephen Kent
- Re: [perpass] Draft charter for a Transparency Wo… Ben Laurie