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Re: [perpass] perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 04 December 2013 23:15 UTC

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On Dec 4, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com> wrote:
>> Is there a serious comparison somewhere about the relative cost of encryption when we routinely access HD video files? I am not sure at all that encryption is the main cost.
> I'm sure it isn't. The point is just about unnecessary waste.

I don't know if you missed this or just don't consider it important, but essentially every video stream coming from a streaming video provider that is streaming copyrighted entertainment is encrypted.   The volume of encrypted data traversing the internet in streams of this type vastly outweighs the entirety of all traffic of the type that the IETF is currently talking about encrypting for privacy reasons.

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