Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks

Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster@mykolab.com> Mon, 09 December 2013 20:56 UTC

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Subject: Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks
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We'll most likely find out sooner rather than later if this whole "Internet
of Things" materializes. :-)

That should only be a half-smiley above, since we are talking about 'smart'
TVs, home security systems, vacuum cleaners, etc.

- - ferg

On 12/9/2013 12:50 PM, Robin Wilton wrote:

 > And in some cases, a tiny stack is an advantage. It shortens the path
 > whose trustworthiness one has to assure.
 >
 > Robin Wilton
 >
 > Technical Outreach Director - Identity and Privacy
 >
 > On 9 Dec 2013, at 21:04, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx <mailto:rlb@ipv.sx>>
 > wrote:
 >
 >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Brian E Carpenter
 >> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >>     On 09/12/2013 11:04, Stewart Bryant (stbryant) wrote:
 >>     (on a different list and under a differeny Subject header)
 >>     ...
 >>
 >>     > Remembering of course that some platforms which wish
 >>     > to use the Internet simply do not have the capability for
 >>     > other than a very tiny very basic stack.
 >>     >
 >>     > I always use the PIC and the Arduino to remind myself what the
 >>     > lower end of the franchise looks like.
 >>
 >>     It seems to me that perpass should think a little bit about
 >>     privacy and anti-surveillance issues for devices with tiny
 >>     stacks, and see if that calls for any specific IETF work items.
 >>
 >>
 >> This is not unexplored territory.
 >> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-coap-18>
 >> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aks-crypto-sensors-02>
 >> <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dice/>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>         Brian

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