Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks
Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster@mykolab.com> Mon, 09 December 2013 20:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We'll most likely find out sooner rather than later if this whole "Internet of Things" materializes. :-) That should only be a half-smiley above, since we are talking about 'smart' TVs, home security systems, vacuum cleaners, etc. - - ferg On 12/9/2013 12:50 PM, Robin Wilton wrote: > And in some cases, a tiny stack is an advantage. It shortens the path > whose trustworthiness one has to assure. > > Robin Wilton > > Technical Outreach Director - Identity and Privacy > > On 9 Dec 2013, at 21:04, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx <mailto:rlb@ipv.sx>> > wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Brian E Carpenter >> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> >> On 09/12/2013 11:04, Stewart Bryant (stbryant) wrote: >> (on a different list and under a differeny Subject header) >> ... >> >> > Remembering of course that some platforms which wish >> > to use the Internet simply do not have the capability for >> > other than a very tiny very basic stack. >> > >> > I always use the PIC and the Arduino to remind myself what the >> > lower end of the franchise looks like. >> >> It seems to me that perpass should think a little bit about >> privacy and anti-surveillance issues for devices with tiny >> stacks, and see if that calls for any specific IETF work items. >> >> >> This is not unexplored territory. >> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-coap-18> >> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aks-crypto-sensors-02> >> <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dice/> >> >> >> >> Brian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 10.2.0 (Build 2317) Charset: utf-8 wj8DBQFSpi55q1pz9mNUZTMRAiMNAJ4/mw4i+lpRs8meIHgWnwovzCbRKgCeNnNc ZJPDPA3dFw4qPu0V24nCqU4= =mnxl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Paul Ferguson PGP Public Key ID: 0x63546533
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- [perpass] Tiny stacks Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Richard Barnes
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Robin Wilton
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Paul Ferguson
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Hannes Tschofenig
- [perpass] Way forward? [Was: Tiny stacks] Martin Millnert
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Richard Barnes
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Martin Thomson
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Richard Barnes
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- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Robin Wilton
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