[perpass] Egal wie man diskutiert (was: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01)

SM <sm@resistor.net> Fri, 06 December 2013 17:07 UTC

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Cc: perpass@ietf.org, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh@cis-india.org>, Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com>
Subject: [perpass] Egal wie man diskutiert (was: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01)
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Hi Andreas,
At 03:30 06-12-2013, Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
>Jörg Ziercke, the president of the German Federal Criminal Office (BKA)
>three weeks ago suggested to restrict the right to use Tor by requiring
>the registration of users.

Here is an (unverified) comment from someone working for the BKA:

   "Egal wie man diskutiert, man muss sich hier entscheiden, ob man den
    Ermittlungserfolg will oder nicht."

>Standards can not solve such political and legal attempts to attack the
>privacy and security of users.
>
>But that should not prevent the development of standards which disable
>mass surveillance when those standards are deployed.

The short answer is yes.

Regards,
-sm