Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00 was RE: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01

Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com> Wed, 04 December 2013 23:43 UTC

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On 12/04/2013 03:35 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
On 12/04/2013 02:57 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

When someone starts accusing everyone of treason it isn't so much refutation that is appropriate as the men in white coats.
Oh, come on Phillip. I did not accuse anyone, I said that it was arguably criminal or treasonous, and warned of the danger to you.

I work for law firms all day, bridging technology and law. I think
Sorry, incomlete sentence. Should be:

I think that some IETF participants, somewhere, and some browser implementors, somewhere, potentially have a legal problem. I would hate to see you treated the way some security experts have been treated. IMO you ignore that risk at your peril.

    Thanks

    Bruce