Re: [perpass] perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01

Bruce Perens <> Thu, 05 December 2013 00:05 UTC

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On 12/04/2013 03:47 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
So basically, you were just blowing smoke?
No. The organization is charged to protect us. However poorly or well it's actually working, and I assume that I do not have the whole story either way. They need reform, sure. Not elimination.

Throwing deliberate hurdles in their way is like spreading nails in the path of a police car. Cops have more than enough abuses, but most people accept that they do good stuff too, and nobody sensible suggests getting rid of them.
Good luck with a Man-On-The-Side attack on .se. domains that are properly configured.
OK. But I'm horrified that .se is the best demo you can cite.
What political solution do you envision exactly?
Given the choice, I would roll increases in executive authority related to the pursuit of war or espionage back to what we had before the PATRIOT act. This is something we can state in one sentence and that makes sense. IMO it is a workable campaign and one you should join.
 I'm really curious to
hear how you're going to defend your computer or from attackers with
nation state capabilities (or less) with a political solution.
How else can I defend my computer? I do not decieve myself that they are stopped by any technical measure that you or I are capable of. They can break down the door and water-board me if they want to. I am completely helpless before them except for what I can achieve politically.