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Re: [perpass] perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01

<l.wood@surrey.ac.uk> Wed, 04 December 2013 21:19 UTC

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+1. Perens' response is well worth reading.

Universal encryption is not a a laudable goal.

(I'm also struck by the thought that Farrell's draft carefully defines 'attack', yet does not define 'defend'. To defend or not is a choice; that choice is neglected.)

Lloyd Wood
http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/


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From: ietf [ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Perens [bruce@perens.com]
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Subject: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01

I have written a reply to draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00
Please read it at http://perens.com/works/ietf/perpass/appropriate-response/01.pdf
The reply is _not_ in the form of an Internet Draft, because it's political discourse.

    Thanks

    Bruce Perens

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