Re: [perpass] Fwd: FW: I-D Action: draft-farrelll-mpls-opportunistic-encrypt-00.txt

Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se> Sat, 11 January 2014 00:32 UTC

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On 2014-01-10 22:14, Yaron Sheffer wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
>
> I haven't read the protocol yet (although I must say Sec. 4.3 worries
> me, it reminds me of the renegotiation vulnerability), but:
>
> - I understand MPLS traffic is often protected at a higher layer by
> IPsec. If we had a good opportunistic 
I don't think that’s true at all in real-world deployments.
> solution for IKE/IPsec, it could also cover this use case. And we know
> people are working on such solutions. [Here, that's me and my little
> turf war].
>
> - But even at layer 2, there are existing solutions like WPA or
> MacSec. Can none of them be used (or extended) for this use case and
> do we really have to develop both the bulk encryption and key exchange
> from scratch? Sorry to be such a spoilsport.
>
> Thanks,
> Yaron
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