Re: [perpass] Hello, list of political correctness and rambling, incoherent text

Robin Wilton <wilton@isoc.org> Thu, 26 May 2016 21:18 UTC

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From: Robin Wilton <wilton@isoc.org>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Thread-Topic: [perpass] Hello, list of political correctness and rambling, incoherent text
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Subject: Re: [perpass] Hello, list of political correctness and rambling, incoherent text
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On 26 May 2016, at 21:55, "Stephen Farrell" <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>; wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On 26/05/16 20:50, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>> A nice rant against us :-)
>> 
>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160526_ietf_descent_into_the_political_rabbit_hole/
> 
> So I don't think Tony's on this list any more
> (or maybe he
> is) but he forgot to berate us for RFC1984 and Danvers.

Maybe he berated us on the list but it's one of those censored IETF lists he mentioned.


> But
> maybe extending the timeline back that far might damage the
> storyline that we've all gone suddenly crazy when in fact we've
> been collectively crazy about trying for decent security and
> privacy for far longer;-)
> 
> S.
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