Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00 was RE: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01
Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com> Thu, 05 December 2013 05:19 UTC
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From: Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 21:18:52 -0800
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Subject: Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00 was RE: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01
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Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> wrote: >It seemed like more of a threat to me. I can't imagine what I have to threaten with. No, it was not a threat. >The NSA is very aware of the work that I am doing and its purpose. And your description doesn't make it sound as if it's intended to be a hinder to NSA. We were discussing the proposal to make the task of mass surveillance more difficult for one or more nation's intelligence services. That is where I feel the risk (not threat) is. >We don't know what NSA 3.0 is going to be doing but it isn't going to have anything like the intercept capabilities of the past Since you can now get an ASIC bitcoin miner that does 10 giga hashes per second for around $240, we might have to adjust our capabilities assessment on the assumption that espionage agencies have custom silicon that we've never heard of, and lots of it. I don't think we can say for sure that TLS is any hurdle to NSA's mass surveillance program at all. Thanks Bruce -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… l.wood
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Jacob Appelbaum
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Jacob Appelbaum
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
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- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Josh Howlett
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Josh Howlett
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Josh Howlett
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