Re: [perpass] perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01

Jacob Appelbaum <jacob@appelbaum.net> Sat, 07 December 2013 10:47 UTC

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Cc: perpass <perpass@ietf.org>, Nicholas Weaver <nweaver@icsi.berkeley.edu>, Ralf Skyper Kaiser <skyper@thc.org>
Subject: Re: [perpass] perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01
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Bruce Perens:
> On 12/06/2013 02:17 PM, Ralf Skyper Kaiser wrote:
>>
>> There was also the discussion why we lock our house doors.
> I was brought up to believe that the places where you had to lock yourself in at 
> night were bad places to live. We only started locking the doors at night in my 
> home in Bayville, Long Island sometime in the 80's as a result of a local crime 
> wave.

Welcome to the internet with the NSA/CSE/GCHQ/GCSB/BND/FSB for nearly
everyone in the world, Bruce. We're starting to protect communications
because of an international crime wave and widespread vulnerability.

All the best,
Jacob