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Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> Wed, 04 December 2013 21:39 UTC

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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [perpass] perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com> wrote:

>  On 12/04/2013 12:35 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>
> What about the illegal spying is in your interest?
>
> I am not 100% confident that it is illegal, although I am unhappy about
> FISA and a lot of other things done since 9/11. I testify for a living. I
> could make a good case that it is illegal, and maybe convince a court.
>

I am pretty sure that the Russian courts would consider the activities of
the NSA to be illegal.

The authorities in Brazil do as well.

And I am not at all keen on this idea that Alexander signed off on of using
raw intelligence data for 'swapsies' with foreign governments that have a
habit of murdering their political opponents (and using a British passport
to cover their tracks to boot!).


You have a very parochial view of the situation here and you are making the
rather ridiculous claim that people who disagree with you are committing
treason.

If the US wants to help in the fight against terrorism it will ban all
firearms and collect them for immediate disposal. Until that happens I see
no reason to take them seriously. The number of deaths due to terrorism is
inconsequential in comparison to the annual number of deaths due to
firearms.


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