Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might use the IoT to spy on you
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Thu, 11 February 2016 18:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might use the IoT to spy on you
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On 2/11/2016 10:39 AM, Christian Huitema wrote: > any of the appliances are designed to "report to the cloud," and have > a business model based on the "big data" that they acquire. If we > design appliances like that, it will be hard to keep "big brother" > away. ... > Sure, encrypting the communications between the appliances and the > cloud cannot hurt. But we should also look at standardization, so > that appliances can communicate directly, or so that people could > easily switch the "appliance monitoring" services. In the absence of > such standards, we get lots of info concentrated in few places, which > becomes of course a target for all kind of spying. Yes, but... First, tablets and, now, PCs are following exactly the same reporting model. Second, the 'monitoring' is controlled by the original vendor and they have no interest in handing that control over to anyone else, no is there any groundswell among customers to force the change. Standards work when there is a very strong market force demanding them. We ain't got that. Yet(?) d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Dave Crocker
- [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might use… Russ Housley
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… dan
- [perpass] Minimal benefit from perimeter protecti… Dave Crocker
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Robin Wilton
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Christian Huitema
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Ted Lemon
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… dan
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Paul Ferguson
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Robin Wilton
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Brian Trammell
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Michael Richardson
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Dave Crocker
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Dan York
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Dave Crocker
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Robin Wilton
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Dave Crocker
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [perpass] US intelligence chief says we might… dan