Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00 was RE: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01
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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 22:55:49 +0000
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Cc: perpass@ietf.org, bruce@perens.com, ietf-http-wg@w3.org, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00 was RE: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01
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Where are these being discussed? It's a response to an IETF draft, ergo ietf@ietf.org is entirely appropriate. That Perens doesn't submit it as an internet-draft in response just suggests lack of political nous. Way to go on the selective quoting - I see you ignore the DRM point. Sheesh, you can't even give a pointer to the refutations you apparently cite. Don't you have anything substantial to say yourself, other than snarky oneliners? Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/ ________________________________________ From: Ted Lemon [ted.lemon@nominum.com] Sent: 04 December 2013 22:42 To: Wood L Dr (Electronic Eng) Cc: bruce@perens.com; IETF Discussion; perpass; ietf-http-wg@w3.org Subject: Re: Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00 was RE: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01 On Dec 4, 2013, at 5:05 PM, l.wood@surrey.ac.uk wrote: > This is a political problem, not a technical problem. From a technical perspective, caching static content matters. Trying to figure out problems that aren't security problems matters. Mandating secure communications for worldwide http is pretty much the same as mandating secure encrypted email worldwide - large failure modes, resulting in an inability to communicate. Which is why use of secure email is not widespread. I take it you haven't been reading the responses to Bruce's essay, or you would have seen that these points have already been discussed and refuted.
- [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-attac… l.wood
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… l.wood
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Jacob Appelbaum
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Jacob Appelbaum
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Josh Howlett
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Josh Howlett
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Josh Howlett
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Stephen Farrell
- [perpass] Tiny stacks Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Richard Barnes
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Robin Wilton
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Paul Ferguson
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Hannes Tschofenig
- [perpass] Way forward? [Was: Tiny stacks] Martin Millnert
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Richard Barnes
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Martin Thomson
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Richard Barnes
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Richard Barnes
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Robin Wilton
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Scott Brim
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Scott Brim
- Re: [perpass] Tiny stacks Phillip Hallam-Baker
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