Return-Path: X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80B31AE1DB for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:44:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M2-EkkvN66qv for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from rock.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (rock.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU [192.150.186.19]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433351AE1A3 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rock.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90272C403B; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:44:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ICSI.Berkeley.EDU Received: from rock.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (maihub.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id rRI+Jgu+FKuf; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from gala.icir.org (gala.icir.org [192.150.187.130]) (Authenticated sender: nweaver) by rock.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2302C4003; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:44:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AB38F92F-BD92-4CB9-BFE2-5E18068278C9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 From: Nicholas Weaver X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <1386785782.584816710@apps.rackspace.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:44:41 -0800 Message-Id: <7E5F9EAE-053F-46BF-A47A-E66CFC74CEB8@icsi.berkeley.edu> References: <0932E601-895B-457B-9F2D-DD79626AE0F0@icsi.berkeley.edu> <1386785782.584816710@apps.rackspace.com> To: wilton@isoc.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Cc: perpass , Nicholas Weaver Subject: Re: [perpass] Yet Another Reason why ALL CLEARTEXT MUST BE ELIMINATED! X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 19:44:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AB38F92F-BD92-4CB9-BFE2-5E18068278C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Dec 11, 2013, at 10:16 AM, wilton@isoc.org wrote: > And this time *with* the link... I hate it when I do that. > http://webpolicy.org/2013/12/09/metaphone-the-nsa-three-hop/ > Robin Everyone on this group should be considered within the "3 hop" rule. Edward Snowden <-> Various Reporters And Others I've Identified <-> Me = <-> You all. Enjoy. -- Nicholas Weaver it is a tale, told by an idiot, nweaver@icsi.berkeley.edu full of sound and fury, 510-666-2903 .signifying nothing PGP: http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/data/nweaver_pub.asc --Apple-Mail=_AB38F92F-BD92-4CB9-BFE2-5E18068278C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSqMCpAAoJEG2B1w+SDi/usKkP/jg08xhthXg6u8XsXh+ShZkD 7babN+dSgKcyDmj5//1hT3JPbMmrG2mEUBcYFM7Ga9j/w+QuQoAcYlIEilweDnj3 vkSjAFLt+XVYZd/PxVDItupAVZGilZhufZRexi/XTHUKGHI4iZmZv6+cbCJieNM9 VQeVGhnBifEQPN/Zd3ApF1W0RDzaH0snCUgfzxWqXYXHQ0DSJYrRytMWVVW7Oacq tUsNXR3khzRvLVGDvVWg7p5KEh8+Ndq9B2UMH81lEX3m+d8EcWzBzhpz8OLmpCXJ 5wtx39Nuq7VfiObrINwOdr2C5Ob67CUK/TZlRnZrCln58Yk+g8iYJtW2QqH+KJPn Aemw/Uem7rhtTv0DpBZuxA/QsJRmoDtJ23PfrId4KBZq8teuxjlMj5GcfIdJugWv BvqFyaDCTQGbj1qJiS3TitGI9OVwCIN7jC47dnaTXX300dJio42iBzkKbOuQu4f7 xrRV9mijqkswYswN988l3SRC7Vcyx1mimEO1OZYPEgtTyM39Dc/hZorauw6EjV/e eYGtgBYJ0HevRkRjuHuFxUiEAFqN4mtPGa3lYb1MZJLTSufNxmq4sF0rDtmoCEx9 MZR1HvHJCCWw9E+9ZfZS2aPUwydK7zKj8RwJyya9bvccuJuAkxtc12lGOS5jflJ5 K4XQRM1i1FtevODitcBz =hmQx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_AB38F92F-BD92-4CB9-BFE2-5E18068278C9--